Keep your eyes open

[bbird]

(that's a tin hat, not bird poop )

Last week I attended a meeting for a "prepared" group. I'm not a member, but a couple years ago I was asked to write a pamphlet for the group on how to survive in the wilderness and since then I try to attend when I know they are having a guest speaker, or something major is being talked about.

I've been thrashing this back and forth in my head, trying to grasp the severity of what I was told. I KNOW that most...if not all...the members are on the extreme side of paranoid. Yet, I think it is foolish not to listen to them. Some of the things that get discussed are suppose to be from reliable sources, can leave you feeling like things are out of control.

I'm going to leave it up to you...who are reading this to explore the possibilities, and decide if you want to worry about it. We all have opinions on what is important and not important. I'm not even going to express my opinions (at least try, lol) but if something concerns you I would tell you to try to find out the truth.

1. Cities across the states are not only putting on mock drills, but planning, executing city wide emergencies, while giving out flu shoots to see if they will be able to reach everybody within a 24 hour period. (I actually posted about this awhile back in this forum)

2. U.S. Citizens are being categorized into risk groups. You think being out in the country keeps you out of the spotlight...think again. One of the most watched groups are people who live rural, keep to themselves, and stock up.

3. Stocking up...You think paying cash, and not using a store discount card keeps you anonymous. Think again. They know how much ammo, how many weapons you have. Clear down to the amount of food, and supplies you have. If your face appeared in the store, they know exactly what you buy.

4. Our country is at the biggest risk it has ever been in during this presidential election year.

5. Money is not going to help you. Your government is not going to help you. It comes down to YOU, the simplest things like driving your car is a liability, or buying certain products.

Okay, that is all I am going to post. There is more, some unbelievable and my point wasn't to come on here and appear paranoid but to give you something to think about and even if you just think about things and are a little more aware of what goes on around you it will help you see things that normally you would shrug off as "The world isn't like it was when I was a kid...kind of thing."

[Kathy]

I try not to worry but sometimes the troubling thoughts of what is to come does creep in.

I know they're doing the city/county wide drills; we've had a couple here. I have to share something that Buddy told me.
We were talking about flu shots and I said I hadn't got one, asked if he had. He said yes but it was unintentional.
I guess the puzzled look on my face was why he explained how he ended up getting one without wanting one.

He was driving on I40 outside of Las Cruces, New Mexico where he was working and there was a line up heading up the off ramp into Las Cruces.
That was his exit so he got in the line. At the top of the slight rise, was two people in what he called medical uniforms as well as the Police.
It was the Health Dept giving out Flu shots and the cops were directing traffic.
He said he supposes he could have said No Thanks, but he just went ahead and got it since he's over 60.

Now, if they put medical personell at all off ramps or major crossroads, who will be able to Bug Out without getting vaccinated?

Just something to think about, I think the plan is already in place, now they're just testing it out on the masses.

[bbird]

I haven't heard of them blocking the off ramps, but other stories of bizarre ways to administer these vaccinations. My mom was bullied into the flu shot....the weird thing was she usually gets a flu shot but the way it was given to her without her permission is weird. She was at a routine drs. appt for her blood pressure and during that visit they always take blood to check her liver levels and as soon as they drew her blood another nurse stepped up and stabbed her in the upper arm before she could ask what that was. The nurse said its your flu shot and mom said "Well, thanks for asking me first" in a sarcastic way and the nurse just walks off.

My mom just thought that was rude, but let me tell you if anyone dared stick me with a needle without my permission would have the biggest can of whoop opened up!!!!

I live my life trying to give the benefit that people are good, the government is there for a reason but there is so much going on right now that I have so many doubts creeping in. I'm prepared, but I fully expect never to have to bug out. I don't know if that is wishful thinking, or stupidity, lol.

[Kathy]

Lately, I've been wondering if it's even worth being prepared beyond say 6mo-1 yr. I think if I had kids or old people to take care of, maybe my mindset would be different but I just don't know what I'm prepping for-does that make sense?

I look at the way things in the world and even just in the US are going;I get to thinking-am I just prolonging the inevitable?
I fully believe in being prepared and self sufficient for natural disasters and even some man made ones but a total collapse of the economy meaning no jobs, mass hysteria, no access to medical necessities, little or no fuel and no money-what the heck kind of life would I be trying to maintain?

Maybe I'm just getting worn down with all the talk of world collapse but I'm not so sure I want to stick around to watch people starve or freeze to death. Again, it's totally different when a person has young, old or sickly people who depend on you but that's not the case for me.

Does that make me a goofball? Are there others who don't fear death as much as they fear a torturous last few months/year filled with watching people suffer?

You know the weird part is I have a job that would be around for quite a while but without fuel or fuel getting too high to afford, I'm stranded since none of the schools are closer than 6-10 miles away and some as far as 30 miles away.

[bbird]

I think that is normal thinking, Kathy. I get them too, except you are right when you have young kids that rely on you I think there is room for a little prepping. If anything to be prepped to be self sufficient....to be able to feed them without stores, to give them shelter from the elements, and to protect them from dangers.

I have no idea what is in store for the future, and I really doubt if anything will happen in my life time that is going to be so drastic. I worry more for my kids, and future grandkids and what kind of life they are going to live. I would hate a life where they had no control over the most basic of things like getting a flu shot, or education, or where they live and what jobs they choose. Yet, I think (at least I try to convince myself) that whatever happens will be the norm to them, even if its not the norm to me. If that makes sense.

What I do feel good about is so much of our way of living is going to help our kids. They will know how to live off the land, build shelter, and deal with supplying themselves with their immediate and long term needs. They will have the tools and supplies and the know how incase they choose to use them.

I've often thought it would be interesting to talk to a great great great great relative and tell them what our world is like. I think they would be floored at what happens in todays world. Kind of like I would like to see the world that my great great great great grandkids will live in. Somethings are going to be so different, and yet...the same.

Off topic, but in my head I always thought the future would be like the movie Waterworld. When I ask my kids what the future would be they imagine robots, and everything being done by computers, hover cars, and floating in the air houses with everyone wearing space suits because the air is unsafe. Guess I'll never know which one will come true, lol.

[Kathy]

My parents were children of the Great Depression and they were the youngest in their respective families so I heard stories from them and the aunts/uncles; very scary, disturbing stories from the time I was old enough to understand what a Depression was.

My dad lived on a farm so they had food and had the ability to hunt/fish/forage but my mom was in what would now be considered the suburbs but then was considered the city.
They had a garden but there was no place to hunt/fish nearby and she talked about the family sharing a dinner of 6 hardboiled eggs in a cream sauce over toast-that fed 7 people-my mom, her 4 brothers and my grandparents.

The stories about the hobo's was the saddest; my grandmother & grandfather never turned anyone away and would share what they had, sometimes it was just some homemade bread and a bowl of soup(not soup like we now make but mostly broth with a few veggies). My mother said some of those men looked so skinny and never expected just a handout but offered to work for a bit of food. I think my mom was 9-10 when Black Monday hit so she remembered a lot of what went on.

I worry about my kids and Fintan, will the lessons Cody was taught as a kid/teen stick? Will he be able to provide for his family in KY living in an apartment?
There's nothing I can do but encourage them to get prepared, they're almost 30 and 30yrs old-not exactly kids any longer. My opinions and concerns about the world sometimes fall on deaf ears.

I did give them all of my Y2K tools 3 yrs ago-barrels, Country Living Grain Grinder, meat grinders, 5 gal buckets with special lids, etc since they were now a family.
The last I was told about the prep items, was when they moved to a new place closer to school in late Jan 2008 they sold/gave away a lot of the stuff such as the grain mills, barrels, buckets, etc. They said they didn't have room to store it and decided to declutter.

I at least have the confidence that Cody is an excellent marksman plus he knows how to hunt, snare, bow hunt, trap and fish including how to process every type of game/fish.

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This is an eye opener thread. I thought I was just getting paranoid. Nice to know that I'm in good company.

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tnborn said:

This is an eye opener thread. I thought I was just getting paranoid. Nice to know that I'm in good company.

Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

[angiem2]

I wish you could have shared it over at HT also (Kathy you can post in Survival also you know).., but good to see it here and thanks bbird to let us know what you've found out.

Angie

[bbird]

Angie- I try not to post over on HT....the only reason being I signed up over there with our farm name. I now wish I didn't, and had more of a name that couldn't be traced back to me or specifically where we live. I've even thought of signing in with a different name, if that is possible but so many people get accused of multiple names I would hate if they thought I was doing it for a different reason.

I'm glad others think this is a post about just keeping your eyes open. I don't want to start someone being paranoid....just leery about these flu shots, and being made aware of what is known about how you stock up. What worries me is the elderly. I'm even classifying my mom in that group (she'd slap me upside the head if she knew I refered her as elderly!) because she isn't on the internet, and believes that most everyone is good...especially authority figures and I can see her lining up for a shot of some kind, or filling out census papers, and basically doing whatever someone tells her. Love her to death, and wouldn't change her for the world..but it is worrisome.

[kitaye]

So far we've had nothing like this in Canada but if the US is doing it then our government can't be to far behind. It scares the devil out of me that they are doing this, especially when you look at the historical evidence of testing drugs and chemicalss on unsuspecting troops and the like.

I knew that people who live away from population centres were watched but that has been actively going on since the Unibomber and the like. I suspect it has been going on longer than that but maybe not so out in the open.