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Post by bbird on Mar 8, 2007 11:22:07 GMT -5
Let's throw up some suggestions on how a person could live knowing no one is able to enter their property. The property would be large. but you also have the draw back of not being a millionaire.
Besides 6 foot fencing with barbwire rings on top, what would be another way to secure the perimeters?
How about what you would look for in natural landscape to help solve the problem. I'm thinking moat, but how about a big river that curves around the property, one that is able to be crossed unless you have a boat?
I'd like to hear about alarm systems too. What good are they really? It's just a warning device, often ignored or faulty....
Anything that you can think up or dream up that would halt people from even entering onto your property.
Oh also, how do you protect your phone line from tampering. I'm talking if someone wanted to cut your phone line to your house that would be pretty simple. Do you think putting pvc pipe from your house telephone box and under your house would protect that?
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Post by bergere on Mar 8, 2007 11:47:35 GMT -5
Hot wire..properly put in with a Charger rated for cougars and sheep. Will run around 100.00
No tresspassing signs..have a great place to buy them from on line. The owner is great! Also good with ideas.
Dogs which you already have.
For cut phone lines.. Cell phone that will work in your area.. Brink home security system..not spendy...a Police channel phone /radio. Long range walkey talkies..given to friends and family in the area. Also good if they have access to police channels.
Hire private police 3 days a week and rotate days and nights he is there.
Wildlife camera on trees....pretty cheap can buy at Cabela's online. If it can take pictures of wildlife...it will do people..you will have photos to take to the police. More likely to do something about it.
If can do safely..take pictures without flash of cars or trucks...even tire tracks. All can be used to help you.
Write down..month, day and time such folks are around. Police are much more likely to help if you have some proff of the problem.
Sounds like you have a Meth lab..or one of those weed places running in your area.
Have someone home most all of the time...which you are sadly having to do.
When I was able to ride and was having all those problems... I was out during the day at varying times. Dressed so they could not tell if I was a woman. They are less likely to mess with men. Sometimes armed with a 30-30...
Of course no one can sneak up on Dyfra.
Moat would not work and more likely you would be flooded out.
Clean all or most underbrush. That is one of the things Hubby did when he got that old tractor. Getting rid of the blackberry vines near the fence line..we will be cleaning this place up..so it looks like a British woodland park. Pretty but not worth bothering with by the bad people.
Make it look like someone lives there and is around all the time.
Wish we could SSS folks like that.... bad aren't I !
And if it gets to the point you do not feel safe at all.. you are welcome here until you can get the police to listen.
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Post by bbird on Mar 8, 2007 12:21:44 GMT -5
Thanks Bergere- I just sent you an email too. :-)
Am I wrong in thinking though that a electric fence can be discharged easy though? I've been around electric fence all my life, but have never been the "operator" of one.
We have tried every cell phone on the market. None will work around the property. :-(
Have the outdoor wildlife cam, but just too many ways a person can enter.
We have way too much underbrush, so many places to hide which is bad, but we also have easy places for us to hide too which is good.
I like the idea of dressing like a man and hiding my hair with a hat. I will be doing this, along with dd. It's nice that my boys are so big and from a distance they would look like men. We do shoot during the day, every day now. Dh has gone to all the neighbors and told them we will shoot to kill. He has a look about him that makes him scary, so that helps start a reputation.
You got me thinking about a police scanner though. Not only for news on what is happening around here, but to see what is actually reported when things are called in by neighbors and us if it happens. Will have to see if Radio shack has one....
Good ideas bergere, thanks!
I've no doubt there are meth labs in the area, plus having Washington right there and that city having the highest rate of meth users in the state being able to just cross a bridge and being in a country setting just makes this area set up for things like this. Either that or bad luck follows us around and I just don't want to think that is the case. We are good people, or at least try to be but yeesh...enough is enough, and I am getting tired.
I need to check last nights lottery tickets. Maybe we won and I can buy an island, lol.
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Post by bergere on Mar 8, 2007 12:40:11 GMT -5
Man Deb...if you win the lottery and buy a nice big Island. Could we live on the other side!! You would never know we were there!!
Hey but then...maybe there still are pirates. <VBG>
It does seem like the US has a whole lot less manners over all. People are just not as poilte in many places.
You know the rough time we had at the old place...and here.
But here we are slowly making it work on this farm. Has been hard and you know what we have been through here too.
Bad luck isn't following you around...is sadly the way things are in many places. Hard to get away from.
Hot wire..yes..it can get grounded out...but it is another thing that helps make it easier for nasty folk to move to easier hunting.
Fence, hot wire, dogs, dressing like a man so they can't see that there are women folk about...shooting at time...all that will help.
Make sure you get the no tresspassing signs up. So if you have to shoot..it is posted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2007 19:25:07 GMT -5
Securing rural property is tough. Your DH getting the word out that he's got his eyes open and one in the chamber certainly can't hurt, though! I'm lucky in that my property is protected from most directions, with big bear-filled gullies, bramble-choked streams and steep, thickly-forested slopes. I'm planning on getting game cameras, but for now, I've just augmented my insurance to cover any losses while we build. We've put up "No Tresspassing" signs here and there, and haven't seen any telltale litter from people traipsing through, but Bergere's recent issues with poachers--and the reputation the area has for meth-heads--has me appreciating this thread. Here in town, nobody messes with our block. We all know each other, and we're all looking out for one another's property. Unfortunately, out there, the neighbors aren't really the type to rely upon. In fact, quite the opposite. We make random runs up there all the time--to feed the bees, to work on this or that project, or just to camp out. Since I have an easement thru the neighbor's property, I make sure to call them to let them if ANY strange cars are going through--and if they see one without prior notice, to act accordingly. Since I'm more worried about this neighbor messing with my stuff than the average trespasser, it puts the onus on him to be darn sure no strangers get past his driveway--because if something's stolen or vandalized, he's the prime suspect. (The county is well aware of our history, and it's on record.) Nothing wrong with starting a few rumors, either. Letting word leak out that you and your hubby are stark raving mad, raw-meat knawing cannibals wtih lots of mean dogs and guns and possibly a trebuchet, for example. Make trips to the local hardware stores, and ask for stuff like thick rubber tubing, hacksaw blades, lots of chain, duct tape, rope, tarps, lime and lye. Each in itself not unusual (and always handy around the homestead!), but when bought at once? Ha! Watch those eyebrows fly up, and those lips quiver in fear.  |
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Post by bbird on Mar 9, 2007 5:40:14 GMT -5
Lupine, that was a smart way to handle getting your property watched plus keeping the neighbor on the straight and narrow!
We only have a neighbor on one side of us, and he is far enough away we can't see them. The other side is owned by out of state owners and is bare. Behind us there is no one for miles. We are way off the road, and not visible, and no one directly across the road from us. Most people who know we live here miss our driveway because it is hard to see. We have a cattle gate about 30 feet in from the road so as cars go flying past you don't even see it. Have to admit even I have missed the driveway in the dark, lol. Only a handful of people on our road even know we live here, and when we have met them they always say "I didn't even know anyone lived right there." So it's just crazy that the creeps burglarizing houses even thought to walk up a forested road. Oh, we don't even keep a mailbox on the road, or address numbers on the gate like we are suppose to have.
You would also think that once the creeps checked the houses they would then move on, but one house has been burglarized four times since November, another house totally got wiped out clean, almost every week we hear of more people who have been woke up by someone prowling around. They are taking radiators out of cars while people sleep. One young boy who went to Alaska last summer to work so that he could buy his first truck, got the truck stolen. (he left the keys on the seat of the truck since he doesn't have his license yet, and had been working on the truck everyday). On Wednesday dh spotted the 80 year old man down the road feeding his cows and stopped to talk with him. The old man said that someone came down his driveway about 4 am and he shined a spotlight on the car. The car backed up, so he let his dog out to chase them away and the next thing he heard was two gun shots and he found his dog dead in the driveway.
It just seems that it went from protecting your house so it wasn't left vacant to be burglarized to violence now. We were telling our kids when we left them home alone that if they see someone walking up towards the house to stand in the window to be seen because that would probably make them turn around and leave because they were just checking to see if anyone was home, but now I will not leave the kids home alone again because guns are involved. Can't really take the kids with me during the day and leave the house empty, so just staying close to home until all this settles down. Which I hope it does!!
Everyone has seen the car and two trucks that the creeps use, but they have fake plates on them. Very easy to spot the trucks though because they have some unique things about them though. It's just hard because we live between two towns pretty much in no man's land. Funny how we sought this property for that reason, but when something does happen it really ties our hands.
Oh well, I am babbling and its 2:40am and I know I shouldn't post this late!
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Post by bergere on Mar 9, 2007 11:07:41 GMT -5
Lupine.. that is what my hubby started... well..its true too..but it is nice that folks know. If I shoot...I do not miss and I can shoot and hit something a lot farther off than most people. That I am old fashion and that I would shoot any man that even put a finger on my fence. Other than the farrier for the horses hooves..am old fashioned in that..if you are a man..you are not to be on my place unless my hubby is home.
They see someone around with a big ugly brown hat and a Camy Jacket...at odd times.
That is cool that you have the nasty neighbor watching your driveway...
Deb.. you have got to talk with the Rainier Police!.. Keep at it..is the only way they will understand that this is a problem!!
Hate to say it...unless it is a closed area one lives in, fenced and guarded by the co-op. Most countrysides have Meth problems now...it is not just here. I would say where I lived up North was much worse.
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Post by kyosa on Mar 12, 2007 14:55:12 GMT -5
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Post by bergere on Mar 12, 2007 16:13:13 GMT -5
Rogosa Roses also make a great hedge. Lets just say the two I had at the other Farm...with tons of veryy long thorns...nothing and no one would be walking through there. Another friend did this with a whole hedge row...lets just say her problems stopped. They will take light shade too! Thanks for bringing that up Kyosanim...do not know why I forgot about that!
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Post by bbird on Mar 12, 2007 23:05:21 GMT -5
We have looked at a pokey hedge, now that you said the word orange I want to say osage orange or some such, lol. It would be very hard to do though. The front of the property (that fronts the county road) is forest and blackberry brush. Another thing, and this is what stopped us from buying something a couple years ago is we are not planning on staying here forever, and the time it took to grow until it could protect us we would probably be moved.
That is an excellent idea though for home protection. Roses under windows, ect....One that hadn't popped into my head off the bat. I'll have to remember that!
Thanks!
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Post by angiem2 on Apr 30, 2007 20:40:35 GMT -5
I haven't read all the answers, but for communications get a technician amateur radio license. Use 2 -meters which is a handheld and usually to a repeater or more than one, and always someone listiening....
They've done away with the morse code requirements, so for some tech test you can even go to the low bands and use them for talking far away.
I'll read the rest now.
Angie
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